U.S. suspects Pakistan let China visit stealth chopper

By the CNN Wire Staff

August 15, 2011 -- Updated 1831 GMT (0231 HKT)

News reports suggest Pakistan may have allowed China to examine the U.S. helicopter downed during the bin Laden raid.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• U.S. official: "We have strong suspicions"
• Pakistani official: The suggestion is "unsubstantiated and false"
• Tensions between the U.S. and Pakistan were stoked by the secret U.S. raid

RELATED TOPICS

• Osama bin Laden
• Pakistan
• China
• United States

Washington (CNN) -- The United States is concerned that Pakistan may have given China access to the helicopter that crashed in the U.S. raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, a U.S. official said Monday.

"We have reason to suspect China was given access but we cannot confirm it definitively," said a U.S. official who is not authorized to discuss intelligence matters publicly. "We have strong suspicions."

The comment came after news reports suggested Pakistani authorities may have allowed Chinese engineers to see the stealth aircraft.

A senior Pakistani intelligence official denied that ever happened. "This story is unsubstantiated and false," said the official, who asked not to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

"Such stories are counterproductive when it comes to U.S.-Pakistani relations," the official added.

There was no answer Monday when CNN called the Chinese Embassy in Washington, and embassy officials did not immediately respond to an e-mail requesting comment.

The Financial Times newspaper in London reported that it had learned that "Pakistan allowed Chinese military engineers to photograph and take samples from the top-secret stealth helicopter." It added that "people close to the White House and the Central Intelligence Agency" told the paper that "the Chinese were in fact given access to the helicopter." China declined to comment, the article said.

The New York Times reported that "Pakistan's intelligence service probably allowed Chinese military engineers to examine the wreckage," citing "American officials and others familiar with the classified intelligence assessments." It noted that the "American assessments were disclosed" by The Financial Times.

When the aircraft crashed during the raid that killed the al Qaeda leader in May, Navy SEALs destroyed most of it to protect the technology. But the tail section remained mostly intact and it was that area that the Chinese engineers examined, according to the New York Times report.

Both newspapers pointed out that China and Pakistan enjoy a longstanding military relationship.

The raid at the beginning of May that killed bin Laden, staged without informing the Pakistani government, stoked tensions between the United States and Pakistan.

In July, the United States said it was withholding $800 million in aid to Pakistan.

"They've taken some steps that have given us reason to pause on some of the aid which we're giving to the military, and we're trying to work through that," White House Chief of Staff William Daley said at the time.

Pakistan let China see "stealth" chopper from bin Laden raid

Pakistan gave China access to the "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

During the raid, one of two modified Blackhawk helicopters, believed to employ unknown stealth capability, malfunctioned and crashed, forcing the commandos to abandon it. See GlobalPost: Navy SEALs had "kill" order on Osama bin Laden, report claims

"The US now has information that Pakistan, particularly the ISI, gave access to the Chinese military to the downed helicopter in Abbottabad," the paper quoted a person "in intelligence circles" as saying.

Pakistan let China see downed US chopper: report

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Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, according to a British newspaper.

The revelation, if confirmed, is likely to further shake the United States-Pakistan relationship, which has been improving slightly after hitting its lowest point in decades following the May 2 bin Laden raid.

During the raid, one of two modified Blackhawk helicopters, believed to employ unknown stealth capability, malfunctioned and crashed, forcing the commandos to abandon it.

"The US now has information that Pakistan, particularly the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate), gave access to the Chinese military to the downed helicopter in Abbottabad," London's Financial Times newspaper quoted a person "in intelligence circles" as saying.

Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed chopper as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar, the newspaper reported.

No one from the Pakistani army was available for comment, but the ISI, Pakistan's top spy agency, denied the report. The paper said Pakistan's top general, chief of army staff Ashfaq Kayani, denied that China had been given access.

The surviving tail section, photos of which were widely distributed on the internet, was returned to the US following a trip by US senator John Kerry in May, a spokesman for the US said.

Shortly after the raid, Pakistan hinted that it might give China access to the downed chopper, given its fury over the raid, which it considers a grievous violation of its sovereignty.

"We had explicitly asked the Pakistanis in the immediate aftermath of the raid not to let anyone have access to the damaged remains of the helicopter," the Financial Times quoted the source as saying.

In an incident such as the helicopter crash, it is standard American procedure to destroy sophisticated technology such as encrypted communications and navigation computers.

Pakistan is a strategic ally to the US but the relationship has been on a downward spiral since the killing of the al Qaeda leader in the raid by US forces.

Islamabad was not informed in advance and responded by cutting back on US trainers in the country and placing limits on CIA activities there.

The fact that the al Qaeda chief lived for years near the Pakistani army's main academy in the north-western garrison town of Abbottabad reinforced suspicions in Washington about Islamabad's reliability in the war against militant Islamists.

There are also growing frustrations with Pakistan over its reluctance to mount offensives against militant factions who are fighting US-led foreign forces across the border in Afghanistan.

In a show of displeasure over Pakistan's cutback in US trainers, its limits on visas for US personnel and other bilateral irritants, the United States recently suspended about a third of its $US2.7 billion ($2.6 million) annual defence aid to Pakistan.

Despite this, both sides have tried to prevent a breakdown of relations.

The head of Pakistan's powerful ISI, Lieutenant-General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, visited the US last month for talks with US government and intelligence officials, which both sides said went well.

Despite the billions in aid, Pakistan still considers China a more reliable ally than the US. China is a major investor in predominantly Muslim Pakistan areas such as telecommunications, ports and infrastructure. The countries are linked by a Chinese-built road pushed through Pakistan's northern mountains.

Trade with Pakistan is worth almost $US9 billion a year for Pakistan, and China is its top arms supplier.

In the wake of attacks that left 11 people dead in the China's western region of Xinjiang in late July, Pakistan quickly dispatched Lieutenant-General Pasha to Beijing.

Reuters

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